Warning! Possible Flame bait.
That site is simply duplicating what is on the M0n0Wall home page. This was
the reason I decided to get involved in the first place. When I read about
it I thought that it could compete with some commercial solutions that I was
deciding on purchasing. So I downloaded it, load tested it and then pen
Just for the record, I use the M0n0 to manage and secure wireless hotspots.
I wouldn't choose any commercial grade package over this one because they
just are not "AS" reliable. I have spent more than $10,000 USD and better
than 6 months wasting time on 4 different commercial solutions that have ALL
failed miserably including Cisco.
As a consultant I also manage commercial wifi and security solutions for
many customers and they just don't stay up and running error free like the
M0n0. In fact I had one M0n0 system online for 6 months! High utilization
Cisco APs need to be rebooted every couple of weeks at best. The only
reason the M0n0 went down was due to a faulty mainboard which was quickly
replaced by just swapping the CF card. Now granted the system was offline
for about a week because I was on vacation, the time to repair the
situation when I returned was about 10 minutes while I fetched a
As for my two cents, the reason I feel more companies don't start using
something like this, without their technical support guy/gal cramming it
down their throat, is because of perceived value. If someone doesn't pay
anything for a solution the perceived value of the solution is $0. Since it
is considered "worthless" they won't use it because it translates literally
to meaning "worthless" even though it's a great product or service.
We've all seen this before where a company buys into an absolutely HORRIBLE
product and pays $50,000+ for it. They will struggle to cope, manage and
rely on that company's tech support to keep patching, replacing and
upgrading the systems. Why? Because it cost $50,000! Then they think that
they couldn't possibly get rid of a solution that cost that much. And no
one really wants to admit to being stupid in the first place. That's why we
suffer the little management constantly and continually.
How do I know this to be true? I can sell M0n0Wall's like nobody's business
if I charge something like $5,000+ per custom installation and configuration
with a management contract. I have tested price points and they simply
don't go for anything that is in the couple hundred or couple thousand
dollar range. So go out and sell it with a high price tag and you will be
surprised by how many clients actually start to consider it over a PIX or
Nokia box. Perception is everything.
BTW don't ever do anything for free for a client. Now there are certain
exceptions to this but I have learned this by the example above. The value
of the service will be regarded as $0. So you will constantly be called in
to do things for free and never really see a pay day because the client will
never be satisfied with your "worthless" service. I'm sure more than a
couple of you can relate to this while running your own companies.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jayden Phillips" <trainguy77 at shaw dot ca>
To: <m0n0wall dash dev at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: [m0n0wall-dev] M0n0wall and enterprises firewall
> This is interesting how people think that m0n0wall is a enterprise
> I think we should shoot for the enterprise level.
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