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 From:  Jayden Phillips <trainguy77 at shaw dot ca>
 To:  Quark IT - Hilton Travis <Hilton at quarkit dot com dot au>
 Cc:  m0n0wall dash dev at lists dot m0n0 dot ch, David Kitchens <spider at webweaver dot com>
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall-dev] RE: [Forged Sender] RE: [m0n0wall] Re: why dont we have forum?
 Date:  Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:48:46 -0700
The problem with a mailing list is that it just is not the best for  
people who don't want to stay on the list. Its a hassle for some  
people. For example when i first started using m0n0wall I wanted some  
help but did not want daily emails. It was just annoying. But now I  
am fine with them as I have set it up so they automatically go into a  
folder for m0n0wall this makes my life easier. But for new users a  
forum would be much simpler. Maybe we should use yahoo groups? It  
works in a easy way for everyone. As it can be used as a mailing list  
but people can also post on the webpage. They don't have to sign up  
for the mailing list, just for the ones they start. This may give us  
the best of both worlds but it takes time to switch.....

On 15-Jan-07, at 1:53 PM, Quark IT - Hilton Travis wrote:

> Hi David,
> I agree.  I won't visit the forums purely because of the additional  
> time
> required on my end.  Mailing lists are FINE and as this has been the
> support method for m0n0wall in the past, I think it should continue  
> this
> way as it has been working very successfully up until this point, and
> there's nothing saying that it won't continue successfully into the
> future.
> Mailing lists work very well for me and a number of others - I can  
> scan
> down my email inbox folders, see what's there, respond to what I  
> need to
> - all in the one application.  With fora, I have to browse to, log in
> to, and then look through various forum topics to see what's  
> happening -
> basically, wasting a lot of time that I don't really have.
> So, if we move to forums, and if these forums are not linked to the
> lists so that everything is replicated on both, I'd expect to see a
> split community (for starters) and also to see that the m0n0wall
> community is degraded as people cannot bother posting to both support
> areas to find an answer, so they'll move to Clark Connect, Astaro,
> IPCop, etc.  That's something I don't want to see, and if a  
> disconnected
> forum is started, that's something I can see happening.
> Manuel has a great product with a great community around it in these
> mailing lists.  I'd hate to see a break-off forum team result in the
> degradation and possible destruction of all his (and the team's) good
> efforts over the years.
> --
> Regards,
> Hilton Travis                          Phone: +61 (0)7 3344 3889
> (Brisbane, Australia)                  Phone: +61 (0)419 792 394
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Kitchens [mailto:spider at webweaver dot com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 6:12 AM
>> To: 'Mono Dev List'
>> Subject: RE: [m0n0wall-dev] RE: [Forged Sender] RE: [m0n0wall] Re:  
>> why
>> dont we have forum?
>> Personally, I think without this feature, the userbase would get
> split,
>> Chris has already said he wouldn't visit the forums so all of his
>> knowledge
>> would go untapped for forum users. I can understand if Chris and
> Manuel
>> don't want to take on the project but if Alex and Imran can do it and
>> it
>> works ok, I see no reason to not to use it.
>> Dave
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alex M [mailto:radiussupport at lrcommunications dot net]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:05 PM
>>> To: 'Manuel Kasper'; 'Imran K'; 'Mono Dev List'
>>> Well Manuel, I'm really very big fun of forums so I would
>>> really wanna see its running here.
>>> As to the putting efforts on developing mono's core
>>> functions, well I have one project that I did and i'm not
>>> planning anything besides improving that one. So far I'm
>>> integrating it in pfSense  caz I have no way to integrate it in
> mono.
>>> So Imran, do you wanna finish what we started, besides the
>>> fact that Manuel, doesn't want this?
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Manuel Kasper [mailto:mk at neon1 dot net]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:02 AM
>>> To: Alex M
>>> Cc: m0n0wall dash dev at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
>>> Subject: RE: [m0n0wall-dev] RE: [Forged Sender] RE:
>>> [m0n0wall] Re: why dont we have forum?
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> On 09.01.07 13:10 -0500, Alex M wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> no occurance then chek if we fave topic started (some
>>>> ppl kill history) if topic present just  add the post
>>>> chronologically. If there is no post w/ such subject
>>>> and there is no [FORUM ] then create new topic in the
>>>> forum
>>>> What do you think?
>>> I appreciate your dedication, but seriously, your PHP skills
>>> and time would be much better spent on m0n0wall itself than
>>> on mailing list <-> forum synchronization. As Chris Buechler
>>> already pointed out, we've decided that integrating the
>>> mailing lists and the forum wouldn't be worth the effort
>>> (and, personally, I feel it probably wouldn't work
>>> satisfactorily anyway), so we'll make do without it.
>>> Regards,
>>> Manuel
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