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 From:  Michael Monaghan <mmonaghan at gmail dot com>
 To:  m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] Patent Rights
 Date:  Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:44:39 -0500
Some interesting links:



They might just have something to hold you with.  Of course they just
might get kicked out of court for an "over broad" patent.  The fees
are ridiculous and they are very likely to negotiate something more
reasonable, but they might just have you over a barrel.


On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:52:31 +0100, Johan Bergquist
<johan dot bergquist at fredab dot se> wrote:
> Been looking through some of the patentstuff... Amazing stuff this is...
> Almost as hard reading this as the Swedish Lawbook...
> "1. A method related to controlling communication of a message from a user
> machine to a global computer network including the Internet, comprising:
> Umm... If I am reading this correctly this patent is written so that anyone
> sitting behind a firewall is included...
> And it goes on to:
> "sending a message from a user machine to a proxy server disposed between
> said user machine and said global computer network, said message to said
> global computer network including at least a first data packet having a
> number of fields including a first field related to a first destination
> address;"
> And here we have what? Well these clowns seem to think that a proxy server
> is a firewall. In a sense that is right... But they are bending the law to
> fit their purpose and I know for a fact that even that is illegal in the US
> (even with Bush at the wheel).
> The definition of a proxy server goes something like this:
> In an enterprise that uses the Internet, a proxy server is a server that
> acts as an intermediary between a workstation user and the Internet so that
> the enterprise can ensure security, administrative control, and caching
> service. A proxy server is associated with or part of a gateway server that
> separates the enterprise network from the outside network and a firewall
> server that protects the enterprise network from outside intrusion.
> And on the other hand the definition of a firewall is:
> A firewall is a set of related programs, located at a network gateway
> server, that protects the resources of a private network from users from
> other networks. (The term also implies the security policy that is used with
> the programs.) An enterprise with an intranet that allows its workers access
> to the wider Internet installs a firewall to prevent outsiders from
> accessing its own private data resources and for controlling what outside
> resources its own users have access to.
> Am I the only one seeing this this way? I've seen Manuel write that m0n0wall
> is no proxy... It's just a firewall. Nothing more, nothing less. But hey...
> I might be wrong, and they probably have a lot of lawbending lawyers that
> will sue me just for writing this. But I'm trying to live on the edge these
> days :)
> //Johan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fig [mailto:figmail at comcast dot net]
> Sent: den 9 november 2004 13:27
> To: m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Patent Rights
> Dave Warren wrote:
> > Fig wrote:
> >
> >> Welcome to the wonderful world of the US system for software patents.
> >> It doesn't matter how bleedin' obvious the idea is, just that they
> >> file for it. The PTO doesn't even check for prior art anymore, they
> >> seem to be leaving bad patent go through to the courts.
> >>
> > Sadly the patent office is pay per APPROVED patent.  They have no
> > incentive to research prior art or deny patents since it is literally
> > money out of their pocket.
> >
> I think the system would work a lot better if they got to charge MORE for a
> rejected patent. ;-)
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