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 From:  Manuel Kasper <mk at neon1 dot net>
 To:  albi at saynotomicrosoft dot org
 Cc:  m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] Spurious <br>s in the web GUI
 Date:  Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:54:39 +0100
On 28.11.2003, at 20:59, albi at saynotomicrosoft dot org wrote:

> i thought m0n0wall was a really cool project, but now i'm starting to 
> have
> some doubts..

Oh oh oh, if anybody wanted to start a nice little fierce flame war, 
this would be the number one opportunity. ;)

> Galeon, Konqueror, Epiphany-browser, Mozilla-firebird ? 
> Linux-starters, FreeBSD-starters ?

Oh crap. Now I'm outed as a user of commercial products. Help!

Seriously - I like to use whatever is best for the job at hand - even 
if it's commercial. And of course even more so given the fact that I 
still earn most of my money doing work with commercial products. 
Unfortunately I can't eat source code. Guess that makes me a traitor. 

And now that you know that I did most of the design on m0n0wall's 
webGUI in Dreamweaver on a Windows box, you'd better run away from 
m0n0wall as fast as you can.

> (how can you choose the most insecure browser of the Internet as your 
> main target ?)

Perhaps because I know a lot of people who just use whatever came 
installed on their machine for their daily browsing needs? Maybe I just 
know the wrong people. I still like them, though. Even if they're using 

> is Tahoma is a freely available font known to all these people ? (i 
> never
> heard of it)

I guess it isn't (anymore). I just checked, and I personally think it 
looks OK in other fonts like Helvetica, too. Of course, given font size 
and/or resolution settings that are weird enough, it can look ugly - 
but that is true of most websites that were designed for the eye. :)

> perhaps you should consider making a Tahoma-disclaimer in m0n0wall 
> then, as i think i'm not
> the only person *not* using Internet Explorer

I'm not using it on my Apple PowerBook either. Still, the m0n0wall 
webGUI looks nice with Apple Safari (another bad commercial plague, I 
know - I've heard it is based on Konqueror's rendering engine, though?) 
and Mozilla.

OK, I've had enough of this. As Joachim and Fred just pointed out, I 
think that this whole 
oh-I-won't-use-anything-that-has-Microsoft-written-on-it business is 
childish and doesn't get us anywhere. YMMV.

- Manuel