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 From:  "Josh Simoneau" <jsimoneau at lmtcs dot com>
 To:  <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
 Subject:  RE: [m0n0wall] WRAP heat concerns vs Soekris
 Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:34:55 -0400
Some WRAP boards have problems with their overheat sensors. The bad
sensors cause the board to lock up for no apparent reason, even if the
temperature is not outside normal range.

If you are having abnormal lockups, call the place you got it from and
they should be able to tell you if you're board is one that needs
repair. I know wisp-router.com was able to walk me through checking a
couple of resistors and such right over the phone and determine I had a
bad board.

Keep in mind, though, I sent mine back to wisp-router.com and it was
easily a couple months before I saw it again. Maybe not their fault, as
I think they send them to Europe, but a long wait regardless.

Josh Simoneau

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman H. Azadian [mailto:norman at azadian dot ch] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:33 PM
To: smeyer at socal dot rr dot com
Cc: m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] WRAP heat concerns vs Soekris

My WRAP has hung 10 times since about 22 April.  I'm running 1.11
software, with a fairly heavy P2P load over a 1200/200 Kbit line.  Some
of those hangs came on very hot days, when the temperature was about 35C
in my server room.  The last two happened with an ambient temperature of
less than 30C.  I run with the cover off at 12V, and AC is from an UPS.

Norman H. Azadian    Taegerishalde 13    CH-3110 Muensingen
norman at azadian dot ch      tel: +41 31 721 7855      fax: +41 31 55 898 55

Chris Buechler wrote:
> On 7/24/05, Steve Meyer <smeyer at socal dot rr dot com> wrote:
>>I am really concerned with all this chatter about the WRAP boards and
>>I am scheduled to be in San Jose next week to meet with the MiniBox
>>people on tis product for use in an enbedded OS/AP project we are
>>developing. How serious is this concern? Should I be using the
>>Soekris board instead?
> I've personally never had any heat issues with WRAP boards and I have
> about a dozen in production in various environments that aren't well
> climate controlled (i.e. a closet that serves as a server room in a
> small business and doesn't have good ventilation, 80-85 degrees F
> isn't unusual).
> But they do seem to be far more likely to have heat issues than the
> Soekris boards.  I've been on the Soekris tech list for several years
> and the only heat issues I can recall have been with 4801's with
> laptop hard drives.  WRAP heat issues come up on this list pretty
> frequently, and I don't ever recall a Soekris heat issue on this list.
> The WRAP is essentially the same board as a 4801 minus the PCI slot,
> so I would lean towards the tight fitting case as the biggest issue
> (though it could be board design or any number of other things, I'm
> only guessing).  I haven't compared the screw holes to see if they
> fit, but you might be able to eliminate those issues by using a WRAP
> board in a Soekris case.
> -Chris
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