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 From:  "Christopher M. Iarocci" <iarocci at eastendsc dot com>
 To:  Christian H Borrman <chb at orange dot net>, m0n0wall mailing list <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
 Date:  Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:21:34 -0400
The board is 8" by 5.75", which I believe is the 5.25" format.  The name 
is not on the front of the board, and I have not removed it entirely 
from it's case to view the back.  I'm going to do some google searching.

Chris


Christian H Borrman wrote:

>Hi Christopher,
>
>Could be Nova (ipo-sa.com) or vox tech, however just a search on SIS 630
>Celeron embedded board brought up quite a lot. That PCI slot will be a
>give-away, suggesting good news; it was not built from scratch for them, but
>instead an "off-the-shelf" board, as is having a dimm for memory rather than
>embedded. It also means there should be some documentation, bios etc out
>there.
>
>Finally, what is the size, 5.25" or 3.5" format? If you add that format or
>exact dimension Google should come through. Also, given that it is off the
>shelf, it should have a name or model somewhere on front or back of board.
>
>Best
>
>C
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com] 
>Sent: 17 September 2005 15:22
>To: Christian H Borrman
>Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>
>Christian,
>
>Here is a copy of the picture.  I stripped most everything extra off the
>board so you could see the board itself.
>
>Thanks a bunch.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Christian H Borrman wrote:
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>>Hi Christopher,
>>
>>If you email me the picture I can put it on some FTP somewhere and also 
>>have a look for tell-tale OEM board manufacturer giveaways. From there 
>>you can usually find a bios that may work, where it is, how to update 
>>it, etc
>>
>>C
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
>>Sent: 17 September 2005 14:52
>>To: Christian H Borrman
>>Cc: 'Vince Van De Coevering'; m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
>>Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>>
>>I opened it, and have a hi-res picture of it, but nowhere to put it.  
>>It has a pheonix bios chip in it.  It has no video output, although it 
>>appears to have a place on one end of the board for a PCI riser board to
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>connect to.
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>>I'm beginning to think that is how Intrusion would change the board by 
>>plugging in to that.  I wish I could tell you what kind or model of 
>>board it was, but there seems to be no distinguishing marks in that 
>>aspect.  I can't imagine Intrusion themselves made the board, but it 
>>could be considering the little daughter boards connected to it all 
>>have Intrusion marked right on the board.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>Christian H Borrman wrote:
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>>>Christopher, Vince
>>>
>>>Can you open them up and see who makes the board, bios, etc. and/or 
>>>post a link to a high-res picture that maybe someone can recognise the 
>>>board/bios from? This will open up many clues and maybe there is a 
>>>bios
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>>>from a similar device.
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>>>Christian
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
>>>Sent: 17 September 2005 04:00
>>>To: Vince Van De Coevering; m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
>>>Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>>>
>>>Vince,
>>>
>>>Any clue how to get into the bios of these things?  I didn't have as 
>>>much luck as you.  I got a PDS2300 which originally had a hard drive.
>>>I do not want to keep the hard drive so I removed it, and put in my 
>>>m0n0wall written CF card in the appropriate slot.  However, it does 
>>>not seem to be booting (or at least I don't think).  I must have to 
>>>tell the bios to use the CF card.  Just not sure how to get in it, or view
>>>      
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>it.
>  
>
>>>Will the bios come over the serial port using a null modem cable and a 
>>>terminal program like hyperterminal?
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
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>>>>Chris,
>>>>
>>>>I used a USB card reader to write the CF card using the instructions 
>>>>on the m0n0 site and plugged the CF card into the built in CF socket.
>>>>
>>>>No changes to the NIC configs were necessary.  
>>>>
>>>>I know that an IDE to CF adapter works on the ide channel on the 
>>>>PDS2100 motherboard (because I broke a pin on the built in CF socket).
>>>>There is a
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>>>5
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>>>>volt socket on the motherboard to power the adapter.
>>>>
>>>>The first PDS2100 I used did not have the a drive installed 
>>>>(Checkpoint was loaded from the CF card).  I'm going to try a hard 
>>>>drive install on the
>>>>  
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>unit
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>>>>currently on my test bench.  I'll pull the drive, attach it to my 
>>>>desktop system and use the write utility.  There isn't much point in 
>>>>having the
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>>>hard
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>>>>drive installed unless you boot from it, especially if the logs are 
>>>>forwarded a dedicated logging server.
>>>>
>>>>Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>IT Manager
>>>>Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
>>>>503-371-9318 x216
>>>>vpv at figaros dot com
>>>>
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>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
>>>>>Sent: September 15, 2005 4:56 PM
>>>>>To: Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>>Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Vince,
>>>>>
>>>>>I just realized that the PDS2300 must be using SIS chipset NIC 
>>>>>cards, which is why you were able to just log right in.  I'm 
>>>>>assuming you did not have to change the NIC assignment at the 
>>>>>console at all, which can only lead to the conclusion that the 
>>>>>default SIS driver works on the NICs built into the device.  My last 
>>>>>question then is, did you use an IDE to CF adaptor to write your 
>>>>>card, or did you use a USB card reader/writer?  Also, did you remove 
>>>>>the hard drive from the device?
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
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>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can configure m0n0 without the using the serial console.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I put the generic m0n0 image on a cf card, installed the
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>>>>>card, and booted
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>>>>>>the unit.  Using a crossover cable I connected a pc and set
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>>>>>it to an IP on
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>>>>>>the default address block (192.168.1.x) and pointed my browser at
>>>>>>192.168.1.1 and was greeted by the m0n0 GUI.  From there I
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>>>>>was able to
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>>>>>>configure everything. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When I get some spare time (and a spare machine) I'm going
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>>>>>to look a bit
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>>>>>>closer at FreeBSD.  I generally use Gentoo Linux when I need
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>>>>>a unix-based
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>>>>>>server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>>>IT Manager
>>>>>>Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
>>>>>>503-371-9318 x216
>>>>>>vpv at figaros dot com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
>>>>>>>Sent: September 07, 2005 7:28 PM
>>>>>>>To: Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>>>>Cc: 'm0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch'
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>The intrusion.com PDS 2100 series of appliances make an
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>>>>>excellent and
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>>>>>>>>affordable m0n0 platform.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There are several on ebay and I just purchased 2 for $9.95 each.
>>>>>>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/Intrusion-PDS2300-Firewall-Router-Warrant
>>>>>>>>  
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>>>>>>>The one gotcha with these devices is that they don't have
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>>>>>video cards (they
>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>use a serial port instead) so you have to connect a PC to
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>>>>>the LAN interface
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>>>>>>>and use a web browser to configure them.  Or you can
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>>>>>customize the kernel
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>>>>>>to
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>>>>>>>use the serial console.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Most come with 3 10/100 ports, 2 USB ports, Celeron 600 CPU
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>>>>>and 64 or 128
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>>>>>>>megs of ram (can replace the DIMM to increase size).
>>>>>>>They have a CF slot for booting and some include 10 meg SFF
>>>>>>>     
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>(laptop sized)
>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>hard drives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>>>>IT Manager
>>>>>>>Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
>>>>>>>503-371-9318 x216
>>>>>>>vpv at figaros dot com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>Vince,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you, or do you know anyone who has modified the kernel
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>>>>>to be able
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>>>>>>to use the serial console with this unit?  I'm confused at
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>>>>>how you would
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>>>>>>use the LAN interface to configure the router since the
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>>>>>generic version
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>>>>>>requires you to first assign that NIC.  Did you modify the
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>>>>>XML file to
>>>>> 
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>>>>>
>>>>>>designate the LAN NIC ahead of the original boot maybe? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>FYI, I have one of these coming to me.  Wanted to try it
>>>>>>   
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>>>>>out, although
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>>>>>>none were to be found as cheap as you bought them.  I paid
>>>>>>   
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>>>>>$31 on Ebay.
>>>>> 
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>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
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