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 From:  Christian H Borrman <chb at orange dot net>
 To:  "'Christopher M. Iarocci'" <iarocci at eastendsc dot com>
 Cc:  'm0n0wall mailing list' <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
 Subject:  RE: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
 Date:  Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:07:28 +0100
Ah! In that case the sparrow has landed:

http://www.ipd-us.com/productsparrow.htm

Have fun with the downlaod page!

C 

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com] 
Sent: 17 September 2005 21:43
To: Christopher M. Iarocci
Cc: Christian H Borrman; m0n0wall mailing list
Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform

OK, after some googling, and no success finding the right one, I removed the
board from the case.  The only thing that resembles a name of any sort is
the word "Sparrow" and then underneath it says "Ver 2.0".  
Googled that, no luck.  *Sigh*

Chris


Christopher M. Iarocci wrote:

> The board is 8" by 5.75", which I believe is the 5.25" format.  The 
> name is not on the front of the board, and I have not removed it 
> entirely from it's case to view the back.  I'm going to do some google 
> searching.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Christian H Borrman wrote:
>
>> Hi Christopher,
>>
>> Could be Nova (ipo-sa.com) or vox tech, however just a search on SIS 
>> 630 Celeron embedded board brought up quite a lot. That PCI slot will 
>> be a give-away, suggesting good news; it was not built from scratch 
>> for them, but instead an "off-the-shelf" board, as is having a dimm 
>> for memory rather than embedded. It also means there should be some 
>> documentation, bios etc out there.
>>
>> Finally, what is the size, 5.25" or 3.5" format? If you add that 
>> format or exact dimension Google should come through. Also, given 
>> that it is off the shelf, it should have a name or model somewhere on 
>> front or back of board.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> C
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com] Sent: 17 
>> September 2005 15:22
>> To: Christian H Borrman
>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>>
>> Christian,
>>
>> Here is a copy of the picture.  I stripped most everything extra off 
>> the board so you could see the board itself.
>>
>> Thanks a bunch.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Christian H Borrman wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Hi Christopher,
>>>
>>> If you email me the picture I can put it on some FTP somewhere and 
>>> also have a look for tell-tale OEM board manufacturer giveaways.
>>> From there you can usually find a bios that may work, where it is, 
>>> how to update it, etc
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
>>> Sent: 17 September 2005 14:52
>>> To: Christian H Borrman
>>> Cc: 'Vince Van De Coevering'; m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
>>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>>>
>>> I opened it, and have a hi-res picture of it, but nowhere to put it.  
>>> It has a pheonix bios chip in it.  It has no video output, although 
>>> it appears to have a place on one end of the board for a PCI riser 
>>> board to
>>>   
>>
>> connect to.
>>  
>>
>>> I'm beginning to think that is how Intrusion would change the board 
>>> by plugging in to that.  I wish I could tell you what kind or model 
>>> of board it was, but there seems to be no distinguishing marks in 
>>> that aspect.  I can't imagine Intrusion themselves made the board, 
>>> but it could be considering the little daughter boards connected to 
>>> it all have Intrusion marked right on the board.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Christian H Borrman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Christopher, Vince
>>>>
>>>> Can you open them up and see who makes the board, bios, etc. and/or 
>>>> post a link to a high-res picture that maybe someone can recognise 
>>>> the board/bios from? This will open up many clues and maybe there 
>>>> is a bios
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>> from a similar device.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
>>>> Sent: 17 September 2005 04:00
>>>> To: Vince Van De Coevering; m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
>>>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>>>>
>>>> Vince,
>>>>
>>>> Any clue how to get into the bios of these things?  I didn't have 
>>>> as much luck as you.  I got a PDS2300 which originally had a hard 
>>>> drive.
>>>> I do not want to keep the hard drive so I removed it, and put in my 
>>>> m0n0wall written CF card in the appropriate slot.  However, it does 
>>>> not seem to be booting (or at least I don't think).  I must have to 
>>>> tell the bios to use the CF card.  Just not sure how to get in it, 
>>>> or view
>>>>     
>>>
>> it.
>>  
>>
>>>> Will the bios come over the serial port using a null modem cable 
>>>> and a terminal program like hyperterminal?
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> I used a USB card reader to write the CF card using the 
>>>>> instructions on the m0n0 site and plugged the CF card into the 
>>>>> built in CF socket.
>>>>>
>>>>> No changes to the NIC configs were necessary. 
>>>>> I know that an IDE to CF adapter works on the ide channel on the 
>>>>> PDS2100 motherboard (because I broke a pin on the built in CF 
>>>>> socket).
>>>>> There is a
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>> 5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> volt socket on the motherboard to power the adapter.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first PDS2100 I used did not have the a drive installed 
>>>>> (Checkpoint was loaded from the CF card).  I'm going to try a hard 
>>>>> drive install on the
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>> unit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> currently on my test bench.  I'll pull the drive, attach it to my 
>>>>> desktop system and use the write utility.  There isn't much point 
>>>>> in having the
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>> hard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> drive installed unless you boot from it, especially if the logs 
>>>>> are forwarded a dedicated logging server.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>> IT Manager
>>>>> Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
>>>>> 503-371-9318 x216
>>>>> vpv at figaros dot com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
>>>>>> Sent: September 15, 2005 4:56 PM
>>>>>> To: Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vince,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just realized that the PDS2300 must be using SIS chipset NIC 
>>>>>> cards, which is why you were able to just log right in.  I'm 
>>>>>> assuming you did not have to change the NIC assignment at the 
>>>>>> console at all, which can only lead to the conclusion that the 
>>>>>> default SIS driver works on the NICs built into the device.  My 
>>>>>> last question then is, did you use an IDE to CF adaptor to write 
>>>>>> your card, or did you use a USB card reader/writer?  Also, did 
>>>>>> you remove the hard drive from the device?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can configure m0n0 without the using the serial console.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I put the generic m0n0 image on a cf card, installed the
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> card, and booted
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the unit.  Using a crossover cable I connected a pc and set
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it to an IP on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the default address block (192.168.1.x) and pointed my browser 
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> 192.168.1.1 and was greeted by the m0n0 GUI.  From there I
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> was able to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> configure everything.
>>>>>>> When I get some spare time (and a spare machine) I'm going
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to look a bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> closer at FreeBSD.  I generally use Gentoo Linux when I need
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a unix-based
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>>>> IT Manager
>>>>>>> Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
>>>>>>> 503-371-9318 x216
>>>>>>> vpv at figaros dot com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: September 07, 2005 7:28 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>>>>> Cc: 'm0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 
>>>>>>>> platform
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The intrusion.com PDS 2100 series of appliances make an
>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> excellent and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> affordable m0n0 platform.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are several on ebay and I just purchased 2 for $9.95 each.
>>>>>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Intrusion-PDS2300-Firewall-Router-Warrant
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> y_W0QQitemZ5800
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 792840QQcategoryZ51168QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The one gotcha with these devices is that they don't have
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> video cards (they
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> use a serial port instead) so you have to connect a PC to
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the LAN interface
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and use a web browser to configure them.  Or you can
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> customize the kernel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> use the serial console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most come with 3 10/100 ports, 2 USB ports, Celeron 600 CPU
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and 64 or 128
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> megs of ram (can replace the DIMM to increase size).
>>>>>>>> They have a CF slot for booting and some include 10 meg SFF
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (laptop sized)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hard drives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering
>>>>>>>> IT Manager
>>>>>>>> Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
>>>>>>>> 503-371-9318 x216
>>>>>>>> vpv at figaros dot com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vince,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you, or do you know anyone who has modified the kernel
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to be able
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to use the serial console with this unit?  I'm confused at
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how you would
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> use the LAN interface to configure the router since the
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> generic version
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> requires you to first assign that NIC.  Did you modify the
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> XML file to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> designate the LAN NIC ahead of the original boot maybe?
>>>>>>> FYI, I have one of these coming to me.  Wanted to try it
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> out, although
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> none were to be found as cheap as you bought them.  I paid
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $31 on Ebay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
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