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 From:  Vince Van De Coevering <vpv at figaros dot com>
 To:  'Christian H Borrman' <chb at orange dot net>
 Cc:  'm0n0wall mailing list' <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
 Subject:  RE: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
 Date:  Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:02:19 -0700
That is a great find!  Thanks for sharing it!

Vince Van De Coevering
IT Manager
Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
503-371-9318 x216
vpv at figaros dot com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian H Borrman [mailto:chb at orange dot net] 
> Sent: September 18, 2005 7:07 AM
> To: 'Christopher M. Iarocci'
> Cc: 'm0n0wall mailing list'
> Subject: RE: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
> 
> 
> Ah! In that case the sparrow has landed:
> 
> http://www.ipd-us.com/productsparrow.htm
> 
> Have fun with the downlaod page!
> 
> C 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com] 
> Sent: 17 September 2005 21:43
> To: Christopher M. Iarocci
> Cc: Christian H Borrman; m0n0wall mailing list
> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
> 
> OK, after some googling, and no success finding the right 
> one, I removed the
> board from the case.  The only thing that resembles a name of 
> any sort is
> the word "Sparrow" and then underneath it says "Ver 2.0".  
> Googled that, no luck.  *Sigh*
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> Christopher M. Iarocci wrote:
> 
> > The board is 8" by 5.75", which I believe is the 5.25" format.  The 
> > name is not on the front of the board, and I have not removed it 
> > entirely from it's case to view the back.  I'm going to do 
> some google 
> > searching.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Christian H Borrman wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Christopher,
> >>
> >> Could be Nova (ipo-sa.com) or vox tech, however just a 
> search on SIS 
> >> 630 Celeron embedded board brought up quite a lot. That 
> PCI slot will 
> >> be a give-away, suggesting good news; it was not built 
> from scratch 
> >> for them, but instead an "off-the-shelf" board, as is 
> having a dimm 
> >> for memory rather than embedded. It also means there 
> should be some 
> >> documentation, bios etc out there.
> >>
> >> Finally, what is the size, 5.25" or 3.5" format? If you add that 
> >> format or exact dimension Google should come through. Also, given 
> >> that it is off the shelf, it should have a name or model 
> somewhere on 
> >> front or back of board.
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> C
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Christopher M. Iarocci 
> [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com] Sent: 17 
> >> September 2005 15:22
> >> To: Christian H Borrman
> >> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
> >>
> >> Christian,
> >>
> >> Here is a copy of the picture.  I stripped most everything 
> extra off 
> >> the board so you could see the board itself.
> >>
> >> Thanks a bunch.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> Christian H Borrman wrote:
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >>> Hi Christopher,
> >>>
> >>> If you email me the picture I can put it on some FTP 
> somewhere and 
> >>> also have a look for tell-tale OEM board manufacturer giveaways.
> >>> From there you can usually find a bios that may work, 
> where it is, 
> >>> how to update it, etc
> >>>
> >>> C
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
> >>> Sent: 17 September 2005 14:52
> >>> To: Christian H Borrman
> >>> Cc: 'Vince Van De Coevering'; m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
> >>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
> >>>
> >>> I opened it, and have a hi-res picture of it, but nowhere 
> to put it.  
> >>> It has a pheonix bios chip in it.  It has no video 
> output, although 
> >>> it appears to have a place on one end of the board for a 
> PCI riser 
> >>> board to
> >>>   
> >>
> >> connect to.
> >>  
> >>
> >>> I'm beginning to think that is how Intrusion would change 
> the board 
> >>> by plugging in to that.  I wish I could tell you what 
> kind or model 
> >>> of board it was, but there seems to be no distinguishing marks in 
> >>> that aspect.  I can't imagine Intrusion themselves made 
> the board, 
> >>> but it could be considering the little daughter boards 
> connected to 
> >>> it all have Intrusion marked right on the board.
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Christian H Borrman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>> Christopher, Vince
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you open them up and see who makes the board, bios, 
> etc. and/or 
> >>>> post a link to a high-res picture that maybe someone can 
> recognise 
> >>>> the board/bios from? This will open up many clues and 
> maybe there 
> >>>> is a bios
> >>>>  
> >>>>     
> >>>> from a similar device.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>> Christian
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
> >>>> Sent: 17 September 2005 04:00
> >>>> To: Vince Van De Coevering; m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
> >>>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 platform
> >>>>
> >>>> Vince,
> >>>>
> >>>> Any clue how to get into the bios of these things?  I 
> didn't have 
> >>>> as much luck as you.  I got a PDS2300 which originally 
> had a hard 
> >>>> drive.
> >>>> I do not want to keep the hard drive so I removed it, 
> and put in my 
> >>>> m0n0wall written CF card in the appropriate slot.  
> However, it does 
> >>>> not seem to be booting (or at least I don't think).  I 
> must have to 
> >>>> tell the bios to use the CF card.  Just not sure how to 
> get in it, 
> >>>> or view
> >>>>     
> >>>
> >> it.
> >>  
> >>
> >>>> Will the bios come over the serial port using a null modem cable 
> >>>> and a terminal program like hyperterminal?
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>> Chris,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I used a USB card reader to write the CF card using the 
> >>>>> instructions on the m0n0 site and plugged the CF card into the 
> >>>>> built in CF socket.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No changes to the NIC configs were necessary. 
> >>>>> I know that an IDE to CF adapter works on the ide 
> channel on the 
> >>>>> PDS2100 motherboard (because I broke a pin on the built in CF 
> >>>>> socket).
> >>>>> There is a
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    
> >>>>>       
> >>>>
> >>>> 5
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>> volt socket on the motherboard to power the adapter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The first PDS2100 I used did not have the a drive installed 
> >>>>> (Checkpoint was loaded from the CF card).  I'm going to 
> try a hard 
> >>>>> drive install on the
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    
> >>>>>       
> >>>>
> >>>> unit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>> currently on my test bench.  I'll pull the drive, 
> attach it to my 
> >>>>> desktop system and use the write utility.  There isn't 
> much point 
> >>>>> in having the
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    
> >>>>>       
> >>>>
> >>>> hard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>> drive installed unless you boot from it, especially if the logs 
> >>>>> are forwarded a dedicated logging server.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vince Van De Coevering
> >>>>> IT Manager
> >>>>> Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
> >>>>> 503-371-9318 x216
> >>>>> vpv at figaros dot com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
> >>>>>> Sent: September 15, 2005 4:56 PM
> >>>>>> To: Vince Van De Coevering
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) 
> m0n0 platform
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vince,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I just realized that the PDS2300 must be using SIS chipset NIC 
> >>>>>> cards, which is why you were able to just log right in.  I'm 
> >>>>>> assuming you did not have to change the NIC assignment at the 
> >>>>>> console at all, which can only lead to the conclusion that the 
> >>>>>> default SIS driver works on the NICs built into the 
> device.  My 
> >>>>>> last question then is, did you use an IDE to CF 
> adaptor to write 
> >>>>>> your card, or did you use a USB card reader/writer?  Also, did 
> >>>>>> you remove the hard drive from the device?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chris,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can configure m0n0 without the using the serial console.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I put the generic m0n0 image on a cf card, installed the
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> card, and booted
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the unit.  Using a crossover cable I connected a pc and set
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> it to an IP on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the default address block (192.168.1.x) and pointed 
> my browser 
> >>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>> 192.168.1.1 and was greeted by the m0n0 GUI.  From there I
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> was able to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> configure everything.
> >>>>>>> When I get some spare time (and a spare machine) I'm going
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> to look a bit
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> closer at FreeBSD.  I generally use Gentoo Linux when I need
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> a unix-based
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> server.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering
> >>>>>>> IT Manager
> >>>>>>> Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
> >>>>>>> 503-371-9318 x216
> >>>>>>> vpv at figaros dot com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Christopher M. Iarocci [mailto:iarocci at eastendsc dot com]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: September 07, 2005 7:28 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Vince Van De Coevering
> >>>>>>>> Cc: 'm0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch'
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Excellent (and affordable) m0n0 
> >>>>>>>> platform
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The intrusion.com PDS 2100 series of appliances make an
> >>>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> excellent and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> affordable m0n0 platform.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There are several on ebay and I just purchased 2 
> for $9.95 each.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Intrusion-PDS2300-Firewall-Router-Warrant
> >>>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> y_W0QQitemZ5800
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 792840QQcategoryZ51168QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The one gotcha with these devices is that they don't have
> >>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> video cards (they
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> use a serial port instead) so you have to connect a PC to
> >>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the LAN interface
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and use a web browser to configure them.  Or you can
> >>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> customize the kernel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> use the serial console.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Most come with 3 10/100 ports, 2 USB ports, Celeron 600 CPU
> >>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> and 64 or 128
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> megs of ram (can replace the DIMM to increase size).
> >>>>>>>> They have a CF slot for booting and some include 10 meg SFF
> >>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> (laptop sized)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> hard drives.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vince Van De Coevering
> >>>>>>>> IT Manager
> >>>>>>>> Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
> >>>>>>>> 503-371-9318 x216
> >>>>>>>> vpv at figaros dot com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vince,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Have you, or do you know anyone who has modified the kernel
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> to be able
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> to use the serial console with this unit?  I'm confused at
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> how you would
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> use the LAN interface to configure the router since the
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> generic version
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> requires you to first assign that NIC.  Did you modify the
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> XML file to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> designate the LAN NIC ahead of the original boot maybe?
> >>>>>>> FYI, I have one of these coming to me.  Wanted to try it
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> out, although
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> none were to be found as cheap as you bought them.  I paid
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> $31 on Ebay.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>      
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>
> >>>> 
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