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 From:  Edward Saipetch <beamz at twentybelow dot com>
 To:  m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] selling monowall cds on ebay
 Date:  Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:32:15 -0500
I almost think it's worth spending $3 on a cd to give this guy negative 
feedback saying the product description doesn't match the product 
itself. i.e. m0n0wall Linux 1.2 != product on the cd, m0n0wall on the cd 
is running under fbsd.

Denis Dimick wrote:

>IMNAL,
>
>However, I think with the wording this guy is using, he could get away with
>the auction. As for "stealing" all the verbage, He'd flunk flunk an English
>class for doing it, but I'd assume he could be argued  "fair use"  for the
>post.
>
>I've seen some auctions where they type the complete verbage from the
>outside of a package, using it as the sole description.
>
>Denis
>
>On 1/2/06, Jens Jensen <jens at valenceartist dot com> wrote:
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>
>>Wow, it appears that I noticed an even more glaring issue with this post
>>that regular ebay Terms of Service would pull that auction on... Take a
>>closer look at the first paragraph of the auction description, then take
>>a look at the first two paragraphs of the monowall project description
>>at http://m0n0.ch/wall/
>>
>>hmm. looks like a bit-for-bit text theft to me..
>>
>>Now, that would be copyright violations? Ebay author does not credit
>>"(c) 2003-2006 by Manuel Kasper <mk at neon1 dot net <mailto:mk at neon1 dot net>>. All
>>rights reserved." and source being monowall website?
>>
>>What does Manuel think about this?
>>
>>
>>Denis Dimick wrote:
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>>>If you read the license, there's nothing preventing someone from selling
>>>m0n0 CD's on E-bay, for $100 or what ever you could get out of a person.
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>>The
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>>>only reason I'd even think someone would buy a m0n0 CD would be a slow
>>>Internet connection, would m0n0 even be useful to a dial up user? With an
>>>ISO size of less then 6megs, why someone would buy a copy over download
>>>      
>>>
>>an
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>>>ISO is beyond me.
>>>
>>>Denis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 1/2/06, William Arlofski <waa dash m0n0wall at revpol dot com> wrote:
>>>
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>>>>Jens Jensen wrote:
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>>>>>I know that it's not illegal or unscrupulous to download a GPL iso,
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>burn
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>>>>>it to cd/dvd, while only selling the media, burning service and
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>charging
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>>>>>a reasonable amount. I do, however, question somebody who sells some
>>>>>GPL(or similar FOSS) software on ebay who does not openly state that:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>1..
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>>>>>this software is not his own product - he is just selling a cd/dvd
>>>>>burning service, etc, and 2. this software is freely available by
>>>>>internet download (and be nice enough to mention where)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7190686063&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
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>>>>>What are others thoughts on this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>I tend to agree with your line of thinking, but I would like to add the
>>>>following cynical viewpoint of my own:
>>>>
>>>>I feel that if someone does not even know enough about the product
>>>>he/she is selling, then they don't deserve to have customers purchasing
>>>>said product from them.
>>>>
>>>>eg: from the link you posted -
>>>>
>>>>Listed in category:     Computers & Networking > Software > Operating
>>>>Systems > Linux
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ummm, last I checked m0n0wall was FreeBSD, and last I checked
>>>>FreeBSD != Linux.
>>>>
>>>>Sigh
>>>>
>>>>But then again, if someone BUYS a "product" on eBay without so much as a
>>>>quick Google search to locate the homepage of said product, then they
>>>>also get what they deserve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My $0.02
>>>>
>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>--
>>>>Bill Arlofski
>>>>
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