Hi,

"but personally I think that it's only fair to be prepared to put something
in... otherwise open source is just people taking advantage of hardworking
volunteers who have enough skills to get PAID WELL for what they are doing
here and elsewhere....."

I agree, but since when are feature requests not usefull? After all, there
could be a better "product" in the end with
this requests. And therefore you could see them as a contribution IMHO. So i
think that feature requests could be very 
usefull... were not all developers you see... 

Regards,

Jan Koetze


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch (WebCob) [mailto:mitch at webcob dot com] 
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:16 PM
To: m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
Subject: [m0n0wall] Mono features? How about mono volunteers?

Seems to me a lot of people who want stuff for free make a lot of feature
requests...

I've been seeing a lot lately - not just on this list - and I'm not trying
to smack anyone in particular - but in general I find the tone of the
messages annoying.

Open Source works when a lot of talented people donate some time to one
another and bounce some stuff around in developing and improving a project
through an iterative process - everyone learns something, grows their
experience, becomes intimately familiar with the project and probably gains
a few karma points for helping a newbie or two...

Maybe it is sometimes a limitation of language, but personally I think that
it's only fair to be prepared to put something in... otherwise open source
is just people taking advantage of hardworking volunteers who have enough
skills to get PAID WELL for what they are doing here and elsewhere.

5 thoughts for a better community?

0) don't be demanding - the project existed before you and will exist after
you - be prepared to make a case for what you want and explain how it
benefits the masses
1) state how you can help acheive the goals you have
2) look for alternative approaches that result in the same goal
3) be prepared for commitee style discussion and for the fact that you may
not win
4) be prepared to develop your own extension, or patch and PUBLISH IT

If the trend continues I would hazard a guess to the possibility of
"sort-of-open-source" developments emerging where people who want to
cooperate do so, and have a members only attitude towards the mass influx of
people who don't stop to think of what they are saying will sound like to
others (especially considering what they have contributed to the project so
far).

Again - not picking on anyone - just ranting in general.

Sorry.

m/


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