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 From:  Hilton Travis <Hilton at QuarkAV dot com>
 To:  m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
 Subject:  RE: [m0n0wall] m0n0wall feature request
 Date:  Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:39:27 +1000
Hi Mark,

You and Dick are in the same ballpark that Mike seems unable to gain
access to.  The game's not hard - the rules are quite simple.

Mike, when and where did I ask for a personal email or phone call about
an upgrade?  I mean, what on Earth are you smoking?  I'd recommend
whatever it is, you start thinking about laying off it.

I asked that for the m0n0wall community - not Hilton Travis - an
"Updates Available" section in the webGUI would be a good idea.  You
don't think so - that's fine.  You can keep reading through the email
list looking for information on that security update.  I imagine a great
majotity of users would rather find this out directly from the webGUI.

If you want to start reading through every one on my 1000+ emails per
day, then pull up a chair, make a cuppa, and get settled in for the long
haul.  I sure as hell don't have the time to read each and every email I
receive daily to the mailing lists I am subscribed to.

As another person who manages multiple firewalls, being informed via the
webGUI is an ideal, sensible and appropriate place to be informed.  Many
other products do this - and if you want to waste $20,000 or so on a
PIX/Checkpoint solution, then be my guest.


On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 22:49, Mark Spieth wrote:
> I would have to agree, Fist off, If you are dealing with an opensource
> project such as m0n0wall, IPCop etc.. and are on the mailing list you
> will get an email via the list already when there are updates etc.. And
> secondly personally, I know for a fact that any such emails for me would
> get sorted into a folder and never looked at... The last thing I want is
> another email. I manage 200+ firewalls for clients, so at least once a
> day I am on the GUI to administer them, If I see an update then on the
> GUI then I can determine if I need to spend the rest of the day
> installing updates on the rest of the firewalls. 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Morrell [mailto:dick at dickmorrell dot com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:30 AM
> To: m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
> Subject: RE: [m0n0wall] m0n0wall feature request
> > For my money, if someone is using Open Source stuff then they should
> be prepared to follow what is happening within the community (and give
> back to it, like the good beginners guide that Michael A. Alderete has
> written, and made available)
> > 
> > If you want the software maintainer to announce patches, upgrades etc,
> then pay them for it and they should be only too happy to send you mail
> alerts, phone you whatever you want. 
> > In the firewall market there exists people like Cisco (PIX),
> Checkpoint (FW1) etc, who would be MORE than happy to tell you all about
> their fine upgrades etc, once you have been separated from your cash
> > </RANT>
> Also Mike go install SW and IPCop or a number of other firewall
> solutions which prompt the user to refresh an update list. In SW its a
> CGI that goes away and does a remote lookup to see if there is an update
> other than those installed. Your response to a generic simple software
> call was actually pretty silly.
> Its common sense to put it in the GUI because generically that IS your
> view to the world. EMail alerts are cool but no-one uses them and its a
> pants 1990's way of working - simple little php script that does a
> lookup to a remote host. Not difficult stuff.
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