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 From:  Christiaens Joachim <jchristi at oce dot be>
 To:  "'Richard Morrell'" <dick at dickmorrell dot com>
 Cc:  "'Mark Spieth'" <mspieth at neod dot net>, m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch, Christiaens Joachim <jchristi at oce dot be>
 Subject:  RE: [m0n0wall] Feature request which would make m0n0wall even bet ter ;)
 Date:  Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:15:39 +0100
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Morrell [mailto:dick at dickmorrell dot com]
> Christiaens Joachim wrote:
> >>From: Mark Spieth [mailto:mspieth at neod dot net]
> >>
> >>This is BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD! I can repeat it some more if you 
> >>want... A
> >>firewall should just be a firewall period end of story. 
> >>    
> >>
> Let me have my 2 cents worth. As many of you know I designed and 
> invented SmoothWall four years ago, that really changed the whole way 
> the internet market looked at web managed firewalls. Hence 
> why it spread 
> like wildfire.
> When SW started out it was a FIREWALL, no DHCP server, no 
> NTP, no Snort, 
> no Squid, no syslog, no Java terminal client. I added functionality 
> because people became a f**king pain in my ass and I gave in and it 
> became a support nightmare. However as features were added to 
> the core 
> product I NEVER used them. The guy who invented it - used ONE 
> aspect of 
> the product - the firewall.
> Yes SmoothWall ran Squid - I never used it (I have always 
> used Squid on 
> an internal box), DHCP server running on SmoothWall (I have 
> DHCP server 
> running on a tied down Samba box on the inside network). It also made 
> things like patching SmoothWall a pain, because there was 
> always so much 
> to check that we hadnt broken. The image went from 18mb to 23 
> to 26mb - 
> doesn't sound so much but it is when you're supporting 
> multiple images.
> Now with M0n0 - but Manuel hasn't one image, he supports iso 
> images, CF 
> images, god knows how many images.
> PLEASE make life bearable. Let's be more realistic. Do not make this 
> into a full time unpaid job and make life silly.
> Common sense people...

As might get unclear after all these messages, I agree a 1000% with you and
others concerning the m0n0wall project! I just expressed my wish there was a
project as beautifull as m0n0wall, with the goal of being an all-in-one
The discussion if that project is a good idea got me carried away a bit :-(


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