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 From:  "David Kitchens" <spider at webweaver dot com>
 To:  <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
 Subject:  RE: [m0n0wall] Re: why dont we have forum?
 Date:  Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:17:24 -0500
As a fan of both forums and lists, I had an idea a while back that someone
here was going to look at but I don't remember offhand who it was. That was
to have the "forum" be a "list member", it would need to be able to accept a
list message, post itself to the forum, and then any replies would also go
to both the forum and list. Doing this would allow the forum to be constant
with the list, if someone posted on the forum, the forum would send it to
the list or vice-versa. I have worked extensively on the development of
MegaBBS from www.pd9soft.com but it is .asp based and the list is likely
running on linux. I have no idea how to make .asp talk to sendmail or
majordomo, but I would think one of the linux based forums in .php would be
able to be tweaked to do this.

Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Buechler [mailto:cbuechler at gmail dot com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:54 PM
> To: Mono Wall list
> Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] Re: why dont we have forum?
> 
> (quoted below was sent to me directly, intended for list)
> 
> On 1/5/07, lgrant at adamscon dot com <lgrant at adamscon dot com> wrote:
> > I'm of mixed feelings on the list vs. forum issue.  I think 
> I prefer 
> > forums when I'm there, but if you contribute to a lot of forums, 
> > making the rounds of them all can be a real pain.  The list 
> comes to you.
> >
> 
> Yeah, I've noticed myself lately preferring to have a forum 
> available for software I'm messing with, because forums are 
> generally substantially easier to browse through the archives 
> of than lists are.
>  But, as a contributor, I much prefer lists.
> 
> 
> 
> > Nonetheless, I wanted to point out a liability of forums, 
> and that is 
> > spammers.  If you do not require login to post, you will get 
> > innundated with spam posts for anti-depressants, viagra, and sex 
> > videos.  It's a little better if you require registration 
> and sign on, 
> > but that is no longer a panacea.  There is a program called XRumer 
> > that the spammers use, which advertises that it can do automatic 
> > registration, even responding properly to CAPTCHA codes (the little 
> > pictures of numbers that you have to type in...the ones that are 
> > supposedly readable only by humans).  I have seen this in 
> use on one 
> > of the forums I am on.  The spam is still less than if you didn't 
> > require registration, but someone's still going to have to 
> prune out the spam posts.
> >
> 
> I run the pfsense forum and this really hasn't been a major 
> issue.  It does pop up from time to time, but it's quite rare 
> and things were tweaked along the way to prevent it from 
> happening.  It'll be the same as wiki.m0n0.ch, I had to 
> continually change things on it for a while to keep the spammers out.
> 
> 
> > I'm also a little concerned about having to check both the list and 
> > the forum. On the other hand, if the newbie posts tend to go to the 
> > forum, this might be a good way to separate out the posts 
> that say "I 
> > want to install M0n0wall.  Tell me how to do it."
> >
> 
> If you're searching for an answer, your best bet now and in 
> the future would be to Google for whatever it is and append 
> site:m0n0.ch.
> That'll search the list archives, documentation, and forum 
> whenever it exists.
> 
> -Chris
> 
> 
> > In any case, I am really happy that the list exists, in 
> whatever form 
> > it may become.  I have learned untold amounts of things about 
> > M0n0wall, and networking in general, from following the list.
> >
> > Be well...
> >
> > Lynn Grant
> > lgrant at adamscon dot com
> >
> >
> 
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