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 From:  "Norman H. Azadian" <norman at azadian dot ch>
 To:  m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] 1.234 bug reports, please (May be off topic)
 Date:  Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:25:29 +0200
Sorry, I can't resist.

Since, oh about the 1950's, a kilobyte has been 1024 bytes, and 
megabytes and gigabytes and terabytes followed suit as they became 
practical.  I don't know, or care, if the ISO standard came before or 
after this.  This is the convention in the computer world since the 
beginning of computer time.  A kilogram is 1000 grams, but a KB is 1024 
bytes.  I know this sounds twisted and bizarre, but it has been so for 
at least half a century.  For anyone who designs computer HW or SW, it 
is perfectly obvious why this must be so.  Nobody else is qualified to 
say anything about it.

Computer jocks have never had a problem with this double-meaning of the 
K,M,G,T,P,E multipliers.  The unwashed masses wouldn't either if the 
disk Marketeers hadn't sown confusion in order to rip off their customers.

Norman H. Azadian   Taegerishalde 13   CH-3110 Muensingen   Switzerland
norman at azadian dot ch     tel: +41 31 721 7855      mobile: +41 77 204 1981

Quark IT - Hilton Travis wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lee Sharp [mailto:leesharp at hal dash pc dot org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 10:05 AM
>> Quark IT - Hilton Travis wrote:
>>> Actually, a 16 MB file is 16,000,000 bytes in size whilst a 16 MiB
>> file
>>> is 16,777,216 bytes in size.  So when a Flash card manufacturer
> sells
>> a
>>> 16 MB card, it won't fit a 16 MiB file on it as there's not enough
>> room.
>>> Just like HDD manufacturers, Flash card manufacturers are using the
>>> nomenclature correctly whereas others (like, say, Manuel) are not.
>> ;)
>> Depends on when you started.  The MB vs MiB thing was never an issue
> in
>> the old days.  Memory and HD space was in base 2. (Full Stop)  I
> forget
>> who first started the "Fake MB" but it was around 50meg drives, if I
>> remember right.  Now for people who have been around a while, 1 MB is
>> 1024 kilobytes. (Full Stop)  Also, 1 GB is 1024 MB (1042*1024
>> kilobytes). Full stop.  Anything else is marketing BS that came around
>> later, and the public bought into because no one was taught to count
> on
>> there fingers in binary.  (Doing that, you can do quite advanced math
>> very fast on your fingers.  It freaks people out)  So, if anyone is
>> referring to a bit or a byte, and uses a multiplier of 1000, they are
>> an
>> idiot or a marketer. (Redundant)  Yes, I know there is a whole "New
>> Standard" since 98 (yes I am old) but it has never really been used.
>> And consider the name; "mega binary byte."  A byte IS friggin binary!
>> There is no such thing as a base 10 Byte!  (Breathe...  Calm down...
>> Count to 10... 1, 10, 11, 100, 101, 110, 111, 1000, 1001, 1010  OK, I
>> am
>> under control.) It also legitimizes the bastardization of kB, MB, and
>> GB
>> in a base 2 numbering system.  Switching bases in the same counting
>> system is asinine.
>> Sorry, one of my pet peevs.
>> 			Lee
> Hi Lee,
> Actually, using ISO nomenclature, "mega" is 1,000,000 and "giga" is
> 1,000,000,000, so "megabyte" means "1,000,000,000 bytes".  This is
> simply the facts.  Whoever started using "megabyte" to mean "1,048,576"
> was using a "fake MB" and was an "idiot" to use your terms.  ISO
> nomenclature is *the* standard nomenclature used worldwide, and they
> have stated that "mibi" is a binary multiplier and means 2^20 =
> 1,048,576, and so on.
> It is also one of my pet peeves that intelligent people in IT cannot
> comprehend this simple truth and keep using the incorrect nomenclature.
> --
> http://blog.hiltontravis.com/
> Regards,
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> (Brisbane, Australia)               Phone: +61 (0)419 792 394
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