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 From:  Quark Group - Hilton Travis <Hilton at quarkgroup dot com dot au>
 To:  "valnar at yahoo dot com" <valnar at yahoo dot com>, "m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch" <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
 Subject:  RE: [m0n0wall] Future plans after 1.3?
 Date:  Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:13:34 +1000
G'day Robert,

So, you're saying that the ability for any app to open a port on your firewall when it wants is a
way to increase security?  Sorry, not in my world it isn't.  What stops malware opening ports in a
UPnP device?  UPnP has *no* place on a security device.




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert [mailto:valnar at yahoo dot com]
> Sent: Saturday, 5 December 2009 12:19 PM
> To: m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
> Subject: RE: [m0n0wall] Future plans after 1.3?
> Paul is right.  There are certain apps which can move around (within my
> home
> network) as well as open different ports.  This may go against a good
> security policy, but a well behaved UPnP setup can actually be *more*
> secure
> since the ports close when the app is shutdown.
> I have a video chat program that I use with my Dad and it utilizes
> UPnP.
> Bitorrent clients can also be setup to do the same.  I also use pfSense
> the
> way Paul described.  I lock down the ports and apps that can be used so
> it's
> partially static.  Nothing is using UPnP on my home network without my
> knowledge, which is something that can't be said in a corporate
> environment.
> I recommend the developers take a look at the way pfSense implemented
> their
> UPnP support.  As was mentioned before, it can be disabled by default
> on
> install.

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