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 From:  "M. G. (Michael) de Bruin" <mg dot debruin at buum dot nl>
 To:  Hilton at QuarkAV dot com
 Cc:  m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] Cisco PIX and m0n0wall
 Date:  Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:28:44 +0100
Hilton Travis wrote:

> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 06:21, M. G. (Michael) de Bruin wrote:
>>Hilton Travis wrote:
>>>Hi Jean-Francois,
>>>On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 02:54, Jean-Francois Theroux wrote:
>>>>Hi guys,
>>>>  First of all, hello, i'm new to the list. Now let's get down to
>>>>business. I wanted to know if anyone managed to establish a IPSec
>>>>connection between a Cisco PIX and a m0n0wall box?
>>>Nabisco inclused 1DES by default in all their PIX boxen, and this
>>>encryption protocol is about as secure as a tissue paper condom.  They
>>>have an upgrade to 3DES that generally costs a significant amount of
>>>money.  Unless you have this upgrade, you'll not be able to establish an
>>>IPSEC tunnel with your m0n0wall as m0n0wall doesn't support such a joke
>>>of an encryption protocol.
>>The 3DES upgrade for a Cisco PIX is totally free, has been for months, 
>>Before that it cost $ 35 for administration, which had also been for 
>>quite a few months. So, no costly upgrade in this case.
> Free for all of their PIX products?  That's interesting, because for
> some of their products it used to cost over US$1000 to add 3DES.  It
> looks like Cisco has finally realized that they cannot price their gear
> at 3-4 times market value.  Or is this only for their low end gear?

 From what I know, it is for all of their products, but at least for all 
the PIX'es. For other products it requires an actual software upgrade 
rather than a license.

But, for the pricing issue: they are still pricing their gear at 3-4 
times, but in this case it was easier to make it free then to answer all 
the questions about telnet I guess :).