> 
> Where I work I am in a dark little room and I am not permitted to talk
> to customers, potential customers or the general populace.
> 
> There just might be a good reason for that. :-)
> 

David heres a tip. There are people on this list with really good security 
qualifications and really good backgrounds. I'm not going to blow my trumpet 
other than to say I've done my time in trenches and with 5m+ firewall installs 
I'm here because I know more than you do and I'm here to share.

Please remember this is educational for some people. Get off the soapbox turn 
capital letter putdowns into a thought provoking lesson or guidance session in 
informative technobabble. 

Don't shout - don't extrapolate and don't also assume we're all pigeon toed and 
new to security :) Everyone will get along fine and you'll make friends and 
influence people.

Life is an interesting journey - none of us stop learning. I'm the VP of 
Internet Security for one of Europes largest ISPs now and I have like 4.6m+ 
customers on my platform and trust me - I never stop learning every single day. 

So tread carefully and wear big shoes but take small conservative steps taking 
care to backfill. Just don't be so quick to put people like John down. This is 
a community. Start impressing upon yourself the need to respect that ideal.

Less volume :)

Dick