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 From:  "Robert Staph" <rstaph at digitalimpreza dot com>
 To:  <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] recommended wireless?
 Date:  Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:38:22 -0400
Thats interesting information.  I never really bothered to look carefully at
powerline ethernet equipment, no interest I guess.

I also wonder if one of those filters that X10 sells (to keep peoples X10
powerline signals from turning your stuff on and off) would work to at least
limit but hopefully block the powerline ethernet signals?  I know X10 works
in an entirely different way, but maybe....

If the powerline ethernet is just like powerline broadband in the way it
functions (RF injection I believe), then there is a chance one the available
types of filters that the power company is supposed to provide if their
broadband signal causes harmful interference might work too.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Giobbi" <rgiobbi at zoominternet dot net>
To: "Peter Curran" <peter at closeconsultants dot com>
Cc: "Andrew Eglington" <aeglington at hotmail dot com>; <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] recommended wireless?

> There is a fly in the powerline ethernet transceiver though- if you are
> not on your own converter/sub station (those cylinder-like things that
> hang on the poles) your signal can be picked up by your neighbors if
> they also have a powerline adapter.
> A VPN connection to the router, or if you are only using behind a
> converter/substation (such as a rural home), solves this problem.
> Netgear uses weak (56 bit DES) encryption built in. In practice, the DES
> encryption should be good enough since no one will know you are using
> The netgear powerline ethernet adapter will support at least 16 units (1
> for the router, 15 for the clients), so you could make your entire
> network using them.
> Peter Curran wrote:
> >Yes - thats the kind of thing I was thinking of.  The one you show does
> >- I saw a couple the other day only doing only 1.5Mbps so I guess there
is a
> >lot of variation.  I note that Andrew is in Oz, so there is probably a
> >version that works with their wiring codes (which are probably similar to
> >UK).
> >
> >The one I am using is a no-name taiwanese job that runs at 10 Mbps, but
> >clearly for the UK 220-240V/50Hz environment.  Actually, I have been
using it
> >for a while and it is pretty good but bulky (unlike the netgear you
> >to).
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >On Tuesday 06 July 2004 13:09, Ryan Giobbi wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Here is an example of one:
> >>http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php?view=hm
> >>
> >>Other equipment vendors make them also.
> >>
> >>Peter Curran wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Andrew
> >>>
> >>>As an alternative, have you considered an 'Ethernet-over-Power'
> >>>There seems to be quite a few of these around at the moment and the one
> >>>have works OK, provided you don't try and go through a RCD circuit
> >>>or similar.
> >>>
> >>>The main issue is that they generally give around 2-5Mbps (but if you
> >>>just basically trying to get to the Internet you probably wouldn't
> >>>this).
> >>>
> >>>Cheers
> >>>
> >>>Peter
> >>>
> >>>On Tuesday 06 July 2004 08:24, Andrew Eglington wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I need to get rid of a length of unsightly network cable (strung along
> >>>>the roof) running from a router to my m0n0 box, and was thinking of
> >>>>using something wireless.
> >>>>(Mainly because, I'm guessing, professional installation of 15m of
> >>>>twisted pair and a couple of wall sockets will probably cost me about
> >>>>$200.... right?)
> >>>>
> >>>>Therefore I have been looking through the various available wireless
> >>>>router/NIC available in .au
> >>>>and then following links to reviews of these products.
> >>>>
> >>>>After reading various reviews on [name removed] I came to the
> >>>>conclusions:
> >>>>a) that their editors ratings are not based on the actual products
> >>>>performance.
> >>>>b) that 90% of the people who buy these products and then review them
> >>>>the site, are generally stupid, and largely illiterate.
> >>>>c) I don't think i can believe anything I see on that site, and now
> >>>>any review's authenticity.
> >>>>
> >>>>So now I ask those who actually use such devices for their learned
> >>>>opinions (thats you people BTW)...
> >>>>What is a good wireless solution? Primarily just to replace a 15-20m
> >>>>length of CAT5.
> >>>>..or should I just get a cable and wall sockets installed?
> >>>>
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