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 From:  Ryan Giobbi <rgiobbi at zoominternet dot net>
 To:  Peter Curran <peter at closeconsultants dot com>
 Cc:  Robert Staph <rstaph at digitalimpreza dot com>, m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] recommended wireless?
 Date:  Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:17:44 -0400
I think powerline ethernet would be the perfect solution for a gaming 
console, or other such device, where privacy isn't a real concern. I 
guess a VPN would also work for more private data.

Peter Curran wrote:

>I must say that I found the RCD in-line breakers in our fuse box to be a 
>pretty effective barrier :-)
>
>But, of course, the domestic power distribution in the UK is not the same as 
>in many other countries so that would have an effect.
>
>I think encyrption is intriguing as a solution to the confidentiality issues, 
>but as they are using DES on the Netgear stuff I assume that you have to 
>pre-configure all the devices with a shared key.  As this tends to be derived 
>from a passord it could be relatively easy to attack.
>
>Peter
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>On Tuesday 06 July 2004 14:38, Robert Staph wrote:
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>>Thats interesting information.  I never really bothered to look carefully
>>at powerline ethernet equipment, no interest I guess.
>>
>>I also wonder if one of those filters that X10 sells (to keep peoples X10
>>powerline signals from turning your stuff on and off) would work to at
>>least limit but hopefully block the powerline ethernet signals?  I know X10
>>works in an entirely different way, but maybe....
>>
>>If the powerline ethernet is just like powerline broadband in the way it
>>functions (RF injection I believe), then there is a chance one the
>>available types of filters that the power company is supposed to provide if
>>their broadband signal causes harmful interference might work too.
>>
>>
>>-Rob
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>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ryan Giobbi" <rgiobbi at zoominternet dot net>
>>To: "Peter Curran" <peter at closeconsultants dot com>
>>Cc: "Andrew Eglington" <aeglington at hotmail dot com>; <m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:25 AM
>>Subject: Re: [m0n0wall] recommended wireless?
>>
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>>>There is a fly in the powerline ethernet transceiver though- if you are
>>>not on your own converter/sub station (those cylinder-like things that
>>>hang on the poles) your signal can be picked up by your neighbors if
>>>they also have a powerline adapter.
>>>
>>>A VPN connection to the router, or if you are only using behind a
>>>converter/substation (such as a rural home), solves this problem.
>>>Netgear uses weak (56 bit DES) encryption built in. In practice, the DES
>>>encryption should be good enough since no one will know you are using
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>>them.
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>>>The netgear powerline ethernet adapter will support at least 16 units (1
>>>for the router, 15 for the clients), so you could make your entire
>>>network using them.
>>>
>>>Peter Curran wrote:
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>>>>Yes - thats the kind of thing I was thinking of.  The one you show does
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>>14mbs
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>>>>- I saw a couple the other day only doing only 1.5Mbps so I guess there
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>>is a
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>>>>lot of variation.  I note that Andrew is in Oz, so there is probably a
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>>local
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>>>>version that works with their wiring codes (which are probably similar
>>>>to
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>>the
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>>>>UK).
>>>>
>>>>The one I am using is a no-name taiwanese job that runs at 10 Mbps, but
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>>is
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>>>>clearly for the UK 220-240V/50Hz environment.  Actually, I have been
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>>using it
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>>>>for a while and it is pretty good but bulky (unlike the netgear you
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>>linked
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>>>>to).
>>>>
>>>>Peter
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday 06 July 2004 13:09, Ryan Giobbi wrote:
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>>>>>Here is an example of one:
>>>>>http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php?view=hm
>>>>>
>>>>>Other equipment vendors make them also.
>>>>>
>>>>>Peter Curran wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>>Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As an alternative, have you considered an 'Ethernet-over-Power'
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>>solution.
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>>>>>>There seems to be quite a few of these around at the moment and the
>>>>>>one
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>>I
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>>>>>>have works OK, provided you don't try and go through a RCD circuit
>>>>>>            
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>>breaker
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>>>>>>or similar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The main issue is that they generally give around 2-5Mbps (but if you
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>>are
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>>>>>>just basically trying to get to the Internet you probably wouldn't
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>>notice
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>>>>>>this).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tuesday 06 July 2004 08:24, Andrew Eglington wrote:
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>>>>>>>I need to get rid of a length of unsightly network cable (strung
>>>>>>>along the roof) running from a router to my m0n0 box, and was
>>>>>>>thinking of using something wireless.
>>>>>>>(Mainly because, I'm guessing, professional installation of 15m of
>>>>>>>twisted pair and a couple of wall sockets will probably cost me about
>>>>>>>$200.... right?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Therefore I have been looking through the various available wireless
>>>>>>>router/NIC available in .au
>>>>>>>and then following links to reviews of these products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>After reading various reviews on [name removed] I came to the
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>>following
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>>>>>>>conclusions:
>>>>>>>a) that their editors ratings are not based on the actual products
>>>>>>>performance.
>>>>>>>b) that 90% of the people who buy these products and then review them
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>on
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>>>>>>>the site, are generally stupid, and largely illiterate.
>>>>>>>c) I don't think i can believe anything I see on that site, and now
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>>doubt
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>>>>>>>any review's authenticity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So now I ask those who actually use such devices for their learned
>>>>>>>opinions (thats you people BTW)...
>>>>>>>What is a good wireless solution? Primarily just to replace a 15-20m
>>>>>>>length of CAT5.
>>>>>>>..or should I just get a cable and wall sockets installed?
>>>>>>>
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