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 From:  Chet Harvey <chet at pittech dot com>
 To:  bk at aventuremail dot com
 Cc:  m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
 Subject:  Re: [m0n0wall] Another Soekris Alternative Idea
 Date:  Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:12:50 -0400
dont forget to factor in the price of memory for the via board. They dont come 
with any. But if you are like me you have tons lying around.

Quoting Bryan Kohlstedt <bk at aventuremail dot com>:

> Thanks for the input. I'd like to see some throughput numbers from each of
> these platforms. Although, according to the numbers Manuel posted last month
> the 4801 + encryption card isn't performing as well as it should. Hopefully,
> someone will get to the bottom of that.
> I'd really like to see some numbers on the throughput I could expect from one
> of those via c3 based systems with realtek nics. At this point, I think the
> fact that it has a rackmount case and is only $5 more gives the nod to the
> via based system in my mind.
> Maybe if I end up ordering one for a client I'll do some throughput tests
> before I install it. I also have a 4801 so I'll have something to compare it
> to. However, I don't have the encryption accelerator card. But, that's an
> additional $70 which puts the price for the soekris system at quite a bit
> more than the Via system.
> Any other thoughts?
> Bryan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "h underscore reuver at mantell dot xs4all dot nl (Huub" <h underscore reuver at mantell dot xs4all dot nl>
> To: m0n0wall at lists dot m0n0 dot ch
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 07:53 AM
> Subject: [m0n0wall] Another Soekris Alternative Idea
>  On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 12:57:48AM +0100, Bryan Kohlstedt wrote:
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Any thoughts on this:
> http://www.synertrontech.com/proddetail.asp-productno=1U-
>  > 
>  > The 533mhz fanless with 3 realtek nics is the same price as a soekris 
>  > 4801. One of the things I like about it is the rackmount case. In 
>  > additional, the processor is faster. The only thing is I don't know how 
>  > 533mhz vs 4801+encryption accelerator would come out. There's no 
>  > possibility in adding on such a card with the synertrontech board.
>  > 
>  > Any thoughts on compatibility? Any other thoughts?
>  I would say the processor works on a higher clock speed. It not necessarily
>  runs faster. A C3 is not directly comparable to Intel's or AMD's in clock 
>  speed. The 800MHz version should run faster anyhow. At twice the clockspeed
>  it should be able to perform at least comparable.
>  With a comparable board I found the networkspeed of the VIA Rhine NIC/C3-600
>  a little low in combination of a Intel EEPro100 with scp. But I have not 
>  performed elaborate tests (and the server with EEPro is a little cripled 
>  in the harddrive configuration). Generally I achieved speeds up to 4MB/s 
>  with a Realtek compared up to 8MB/s with an Intel. 
>  My current opinion is the the Realtek and VIA Rhine are comparable. At
> least
>  they don't manage to use the full 100Mbit/s. With Intel-Intel communication
>  I did see speeds above 10MB/s (continuously with streaming data).
>  If you need speeds close to 100Mbit, at least chose the option with Intel
>  NIC's. If you can live with 10-40Mbit the Realteks might offer an 
>  alternative.
>  The Geode might run at equal speed with an C3-533, with hardware encryption
>  it might outrun the C3. I think the NS DP83816 outperforms a Realtek. The 
>  net4501 was after all mostly limited by the PCI-bus for raw networkspeed 
>  and the processor for encryption. But it does al at a measly 15W. Without 
>  a harddrive ar CD-drive the power usage of the C3 might be comparable.
>  The VGA and I/O for keyboard and mouse might prove useless powerconsumers.
>  You might want to look up the comments for a Realtek network cards in 
>  NetBSD: "This really redefines low end..."
>  If you look at the sources available I think both are very well documented
>  and supported in open source.
>  I'd personally compare the Geode with hardware encryption with an C3-533
>  with intel NIC's. Otherwise I'd purely choose the cheapest solution
> offering
>  speed for some money or if the difference is low I'd choose based on the
> time
>  to delivery.
>  Just my 2 cents.
>  With regards,
>  Huub Reuver
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Chet Harvey
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